AFI's 100 Years.....100 Movies

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  1. Chris White

    Chris White New Member

    Just a reminder that AFI's 100 Years.....100 Movies is on CBS tonight from 8-11 EST.

    From the Titan TV listing:

    Morgan Freeman hosts the 10th annual cinematic countdown, which this year lists the 100 greatest American films, as chosen by a panel assembled by the American Film Institute. In addition to film clips, celebrities comment, including Tim Allen, Halle Berry, Peter Bogdanovich, Jeff Bridges, Laurence Fishburne, Peter Fonda, Harrison Ford, William Friedkin, Dennis Hopper, Norman Jewison, Spike Lee, Shirley MacLaine, Liza Minnelli, Martin Scorsese, Martin Sheen and M. Night Shyamalan.
     
  2. Mike Kelly

    Mike Kelly Active Member

    Well Chris, if they knock off The Jazz Singer, you will have seen them all (unless of course the replacements contain any unseen ones.) You didn't miss much. The Jazz Singer is historically important, but really a pretty creaky old movie, unless you are an Al Jolson fan.

    Here's the list of contenders that were released since the last list in 1996:

    LA CONFIDENTIAL,
    GOOD WILL HUNTING,
    TITANIC,
    AS GOOD AS IT GETS,
    AUSTIN POWERS: INTERNATIONAL MAN OF MYSTERY,
    BOOGIE NIGHTS,
    SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE,
    SAVING PRIVATE RYAN,
    RUSHMORE,
    THE MATRIX,
    FIGHT CLUB,
    THREE KINGS,
    THE SIXTH SENSE,
    THE INSIDER,
    THERE?S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY,
    AMERICAN BEAUTY,
    BEING JOHN MALKOVICH,
    REQUIEM FOR A DREAM,
    GLADIATOR,
    TRAFFIC,
    ERIN BROCKOVICH,
    SHREK,
    MOULIN ROUGE!,
    MEMENTO,
    THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING,
    A BEAUTIFUL MIND,
    THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE TWO TOWERS,
    CHICAGO,
    THE HOURS,
    FINDING NEMO,
    MYSTIC RIVER,
    PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: THE CURSE OF THE BLACK PEARL,
    THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING,
    LOST IN TRANSLATION,
    SIDEWAYS,
    HARRY POTTER AND THE PRIZONER OF AZKABAN,
    MILLION DOLLAR BABY,
    THE AVIATOR,
    ETERNAL SUNSHINE OF THE SPOTLESS MIND,
    SPIDER-MAN 2,
    BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN,
    GOOD NIGHT, AND GOOD LUCK,
    CRASH
    HOTEL RWANDA
    .

    In addition, there are some other first time contenders that could sneak in:
    A CHRISTMAS STORY
    THE USUAL SUSPECTS

    The 80s youth films: FAST TIMES AT RIDGEMONT HIGH, THE BREAKFAST CLUB and FERRIS BUELLER'S DAY OFF

    My guesses for 10 new additions, alphabetically:

    American Beauty
    Back to the Future
    Chicago
    A Christmas Story
    L. A. Confidential
    The Lord of the Rings
    (I'd pick the first one, but it will probably be Return of the King)
    Saving Private Ryan
    The Shawshank Redemption
    The Sixth Sense
    Titanic
    Toy Story
     
  3. Shane

    Shane Active Member

    Good additions Mike. I personally would take ROTK over FOTR on the LOTR series. To me it was the most complete film of the bunch. The others I had issues with(even with the extended cuts).
     
  4. CJ

    CJ Bronze Member Admin War Zone Member

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    I'd like to see The Matrix make the cut, but I think people trivialize the impact it had and the sequels didn't help matters.
     
  5. Michael

    Michael Junior Geek

    The only new movie that I think absolutely deserves a spot is American Beauty.

    Lots of other strong films on the potential list, but it is pretty tough to decide which films to knock off the existing list.
     
  6. Mike Kelly

    Mike Kelly Active Member

    CJ, with Laurence Fishburne listed as one of the presenters, I think The Matrix has a shot.
     
  7. Shane

    Shane Active Member

    Michael,
    I disagree. I think Shawshank and LA Confidential are the deserving spots.
     
  8. Michael

    Michael Junior Geek

    Shawshank would be my #2 most deserving movie.

    L.A. Confidential is a great movie, but at that point there are another 4-5 movies you could easily put in the same class.
     
  9. CJ

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    I'd take Jaws off just as one example. It had its day in the sun and had a huge impact as well, but I sort of view the list as part really timeless and part "great or groundbreaking for its era". When you update the list, you need to replace a few old "groundbreakers" with some new ones. IMO.
     
  10. Drew Mitten

    Drew Mitten New Member

    Shawshank Redemption has my vote. I love it. Morgan Freeman is an excellent actor.
     
  11. Mike Kelly

    Mike Kelly Active Member

    Here are some random thoughts having just watched the show:

    AFI's top picks more closely matched those of some of the more esteemed groups like Sight and Sound. With Citizen Kane, The Godfather, Raging Bull, Singin' in the Rain, Vertigo, City Lights, The Searchers and The General now all in their top 20, they have honored those American Films that rank high on many critical lists.

    The previously highest ranked film to not make the new list: Doctor Zhivago at #39.
    The film on the old list the lost the most ground: The African Queen (#17 to #65) Wonder if its not being on DVD had something to do with it?

    The film, not on the old list that finished the highest: The General [#18]
    The film on the old list that made the biggest jump: The Searchers (from #96 to #12)

    Biggest surprise in the Top 10:
    Raging Bull: Technically it is virtuoso work and DeNiro is amazing, but he is so unlikable. It's just not a movie I want to watch very often.

    Films I was sorry to see replaced:
    The Third Man
    The Manchurian Candidate
    Amadeus


    Films I was happy to see added:
    12 Angry Men
    The Last Picture Show
    Nashville
    Blade Runner
    The Shawshank Redemption
    Saving Private Ryan
    Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring
    (glad they chose the first one)

    New film I wished had made the list:
    L. A. Confidential

    New addition that surpised me the most:
    Sophie's Choice

    I enjoyed Sidney Pollack's comments. The man knows film. I'm going to have to check to see if he has written any books on film.

    I'm curious. For those of you that normally do not watch films made prior to 1970, does seeing the clips spark any interest?

    With the new list, Intolerance is the only film I've never seen. There are a few that I haven't seen in many years and need to rewatch.
     
  12. Chris White

    Chris White New Member

    (2007 Rank) (Title) (1998 Rank) (Change)

    1 CITIZEN KANE 1 0
    2 THE GODFATHER 3 +1
    3 CASABLANCA 2 -1
    4 RAGING BULL 24 +20
    5 SINGIN' IN THE RAIN 10 +5
    6 GONE WITH THE WIND 4 -2
    7 LAWRENCE OF ARABIA 5 -2
    8 SCHINDLER'S LIST 9 1
    9 VERTIGO 61 52
    10 THE WIZARD OF OZ 6 -4
    11 CITY LIGHTS 76 65
    12 THE SEARCHERS 96 84
    13 STAR WARS 15 2
    14 PSYCHO 18 4
    15 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY 22 7
    16 SUNSET BLVD. 12 -4
    17 THE GRADUATE 7 -10
    18 THE GENERAL NEW
    19 ON THE WATERFRONT 8 -11
    20 IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE 11 -9
    21 CHINATOWN 19 -2
    22 SOME LIKE IT HOT 14 -8
    23 GRAPES OF WRATH, THE 21 -2
    24 E.T. THE EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL 25 1
    25 TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD 34 9
    26 MR. SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON 29 3
    27 HIGH NOON 33 6
    28 ALL ABOUT EVE 16 -12
    29 DOUBLE INDEMNITY 38 9
    30 APOCALYPSE NOW 28 -2
    31 MALTESE FALCON, THE 23 -8
    32 THE GODFATHER PART II 32 0
    33 ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST 20 -13
    34 SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARFS 49 15
    35 ANNIE HALL 31 -4
    36 THE BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI 13 -23
    37 THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES 37 0
    38 THE TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE 30 -8
    39 DR. STRANGELOVE 26 -13
    40 THE SOUND OF MUSIC 55 15
    41 KING KONG 43 2
    42 BONNIE AND CLYDE 27 -15
    43 MIDNIGHT COWBOY 36 -7
    44 THE PHILADELPHIA STORY 51 7
    45 SHANE 69 24
    46 IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT 35 -11
    47 STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE, A 45 -2
    48 REAR WINDOW 42 -6
    49 INTOLERANCE NEW
    50 THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING NEW
    51 WEST SIDE STORY 41 -10
    52 TAXI DRIVER 47 -5
    53 THE DEER HUNTER 79 26
    54 M*A*S*H 56 2
    55 NORTH BY NORTHWEST 40 -15
    56 JAWS 48 -8
    57 ROCKY 78 21
    58 GOLD RUSH, THE 74 16
    59 NASHVILLE NEW
    60 DUCK SOUP 85 25
    61 SULLIVAN'S TRAVELS NEW
    62 AMERICAN GRAFFITI 77 15
    63 CABARET NEW
    64 NETWORK 66 2
    65 THE AFRICAN QUEEN 17 -48
    66 RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK 60 -6
    67 WHO'S AFRAID OF VIRGINIA WOOLF? NEW
    68 UNFORGIVEN 98 30
    69 TOOTSIE 62 -7
    70 A CLOCKWORK ORANGE 46 -24
    71 SAVING PRIVATE RYAN N/A
    72 THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION NEW
    73 BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID 50 -23
    74 THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS 65 -9
    75 IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT NEW
    76 FORREST GUMP 71 -5
    77 ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN NEW
    78 MODERN TIMES 81 3
    79 THE WILD BUNCH 80 1
    80 THE APARTMENT 93 13
    81 SPARTACUS NEW
    82 SUNRISE NEW
    83 TITANIC NEW
    84 EASY RIDER 88 4
    85 A NIGHT AT THE OPERA NEW
    86 PLATOON 83 -3
    87 12 ANGRY MEN NEW
    88 BRINGING UP BABY 97 9
    89 THE SIXTH SENSE NEW
    90 SWING TIME NEW
    91 SOPHIE'S CHOICE NEW
    92 GOODFELLAS 94 2
    93 THE FRENCH CONNECTION 70 -23
    94 PULP FICTION 95 1
    95 THE LAST PICTURE SHOW NEW
    96 DO THE RIGHT THING NEW
    97 BLADE RUNNER NEW
    98 YANKEE DOODLE DANDY 100 2
    99 TOY STORY NEW
    100 BEN-HUR 72 -28
     
  13. CJ

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    Some good additions and but no Matrix :(
     
  14. Mike Kelly

    Mike Kelly Active Member

    I think it is interesting to note that of the 23 new films added, only 4 were from post-1996, and the most recent was from 2001. While there are some very good recent films, I'm glad that the voters seemed to feel that standing the test of time is important.
     
  15. Steve Tannehill

    Steve Tannehill New Member War Zone Member Top Poster

    Movies Steve has not seen

    1 CITIZEN KANE 1 0
    2 THE GODFATHER 3 +1
    3 CASABLANCA 2 -1
    4 RAGING BULL 24 +20
    5 SINGIN' IN THE RAIN 10 +5
    6 GONE WITH THE WIND 4 -2
    7 LAWRENCE OF ARABIA 5 -2
    8 SCHINDLER'S LIST 9 1
    9 VERTIGO 61 52
    10 THE WIZARD OF OZ 6 -4
    11 CITY LIGHTS 76 65
    12 THE SEARCHERS 96 84
    13 STAR WARS 15 2
    14 PSYCHO 18 4
    15 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY 22 7
    16 SUNSET BLVD. 12 -4
    17 THE GRADUATE 7 -10
    18 THE GENERAL NEW
    19 ON THE WATERFRONT 8 -11

    20 IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE 11 -9
    21 CHINATOWN 19 -2
    22 SOME LIKE IT HOT 14 -8
    23 GRAPES OF WRATH, THE 21 -2
    24 E.T. THE EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL 25 1
    25 TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD 34 9
    26 MR. SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON 29 3
    27 HIGH NOON 33 6
    28 ALL ABOUT EVE 16 -12
    29 DOUBLE INDEMNITY 38 9
    30 APOCALYPSE NOW 28 -2
    31 MALTESE FALCON, THE 23 -8
    32 THE GODFATHER PART II 32 0
    33 ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST 20 -13
    34 SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARFS 49 15
    35 ANNIE HALL 31 -4
    36 THE BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI 13 -23
    37 THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES 37 0
    38 THE TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE 30 -8
    39 DR. STRANGELOVE 26 -13
    40 THE SOUND OF MUSIC 55 15
    41 KING KONG 43 2
    42 BONNIE AND CLYDE 27 -15
    43 MIDNIGHT COWBOY 36 -7
    44 THE PHILADELPHIA STORY 51 7
    45 SHANE 69 24
    46 IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT 35 -11
    47 STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE, A 45 -2
    48 REAR WINDOW 42 -6
    49 INTOLERANCE NEW
    50 THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING NEW
    51 WEST SIDE STORY 41 -10
    52 TAXI DRIVER 47 -5
    53 THE DEER HUNTER 79 26
    54 M*A*S*H 56 2
    55 NORTH BY NORTHWEST 40 -15
    56 JAWS 48 -8
    57 ROCKY 78 21
    58 GOLD RUSH, THE 74 16
    59 NASHVILLE NEW
    60 DUCK SOUP 85 25
    61 SULLIVAN'S TRAVELS NEW
    62 AMERICAN GRAFFITI 77 15
    63 CABARET NEW
    64 NETWORK 66 2
    65 THE AFRICAN QUEEN 17 -48
    66 RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK 60 -6
    67 WHO'S AFRAID OF VIRGINIA WOOLF? NEW
    68 UNFORGIVEN 98 30
    69 TOOTSIE 62 -7
    70 A CLOCKWORK ORANGE 46 -24
    71 SAVING PRIVATE RYAN N/A
    72 THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION NEW
    73 BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID 50 -23
    74 THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS 65 -9
    75 IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT NEW
    76 FORREST GUMP 71 -5
    77 ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN NEW
    78 MODERN TIMES 81 3
    79 THE WILD BUNCH 80 1
    80 THE APARTMENT 93 13
    81 SPARTACUS NEW
    82 SUNRISE NEW
    83 TITANIC NEW
    84 EASY RIDER 88 4
    85 A NIGHT AT THE OPERA NEW
    86 PLATOON 83 -3
    87 12 ANGRY MEN NEW
    88 BRINGING UP BABY 97 9
    89 THE SIXTH SENSE NEW
    90 SWING TIME NEW
    91 SOPHIE'S CHOICE NEW
    92 GOODFELLAS 94 2
    93 THE FRENCH CONNECTION 70 -23
    94 PULP FICTION 95 1
    95 THE LAST PICTURE SHOW NEW
    96 DO THE RIGHT THING NEW
    97 BLADE RUNNER NEW
    98 YANKEE DOODLE DANDY 100 2
    99 TOY STORY NEW
    100 BEN-HUR 72 -28

    Thing is, apart from the Chaplin movies, I own most of the ones I have not seen...time to pull them off the shelf, I think!

    - Steve
     
  16. Chris White

    Chris White New Member

    Removed from the old list:
    39. Doctor Zhivago (1965) - poor decision; this is a GREAT movie
    44. The Birth of a Nation (1915) - I agree.
    52. From Here to Eternity (1953)
    53. Amadeus (1984)
    54. All Quiet on the Western Front (1930)
    57. The Third Man (1949) - This is a classic and I'm surprised to see it removed.
    58. Fantasia (1940)
    59. Rebel Without a Cause (1955) - I agree. It's not a very good movie.
    63. Stagecoach (1939) - I agree. This wasn't one of the Duke's better movies.
    64. Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)
    67. The Manchurian Candidate (1962) - Surprising decision.
    68. An American in Paris (1951) - I agree. One too many Gene Kelly movies.
    73. Wuthering Heights (1939) - Mildly surprising decision.
    75. Dances With Wolves (1990) - I agree.
    82. Giant (1956) - Surprising decision.
    84. Fargo (1996) - I agree.
    86. Mutiny on the Bounty (1935) - Bad decision. This is a great classic.
    87. Frankenstein (1931) - Surprising decision.
    89. Patton (1970)
    90. The Jazz Singer (1927) - You were right Mike. :)
    91. My Fair Lady (1964) - Hate to see this one go.
    92. A Place in the Sun (1951) - I agree.
    99. Guess Who's Coming to Dinner (1967) - I agree. Important movie for its social commentary, but not a particularly good movie.
     
  17. Alfer

    Alfer New Member

    I just can't wrap my head around the idea that Matrix" would even be considered "best" at anything except special effects perhaps...certainly not one of the "best films" of our time IMO.
     
  18. CJ

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    You need to dig a little bit. On the top it seems like an action film. Dig a little and it seems vaguely philosophical but cliche. Dig past that IMO. But hey, its just a film.
     
  19. Alfer

    Alfer New Member

    That would entail a lotta diggin brotha...:)
     
  20. CJ

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