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Receiver, well the time has come to make a choice.

Discussion in 'Hardware Lounge' started by Max Yokell, Jun 21, 2007.

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Which HDMI 1.3 receiver to buy

  1. Onkyo TX 875

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  2. Denon 4308ci

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  3. Denon 3808ci

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  4. Wait for TX 905

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  5. Other please list model or post link to model of 1.3 HDMI receiver you think I should get

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  1. Max Yokell

    Max Yokell Well-Known Member War Zone Member Top Poster

    Well the time seems to have come to make a choice of receiver now as I have a home I have a room, I have a shitload of speakers (7) and two subs should be here by the end of July.

    Time to get the receiver and I will try to do the projector when I get back from my new york trip.


    So I am a little confused on which way to go.

    I have always tended to buy from the high side of the Yamaha line up but they don't seem to have an HDMI 1.3 unit coming out soon enough.

    The real contenders seem to be the two Denon units and the Onkyo 875 though the 905 looks good and is financially within reach it isn't due out till aug.

    The Onkyos are THX Ultra 2 Certified and I don't think the Denons are but not sure and am not sure how important THX certified is I mean some companies don't seem to care about getting the THX tag.

    The onkyos have the reon chip for video processing which might be better then what the denons have but am not sure, and again not really sure it matters much because I am going to be feeding it lots of HD though I guess it could help on the SD-DVDs though I could just as easily but an AX 2 HD-DVD player and have that same chip do the upconversions.

    HELP!!!


    So the contenders are...


    TX-SR875 ($1,700, June 2007)
    7.1 A/V receiver, 140 watts per channel
    4 HDMI 1.3a inputs, with HDMI upconversion to 1080p
    Onboard decoding for Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio
    HQV Reon-VX Video processing
    THX Ultra2 Certified
    Audyssey MultEQ auto speaker calibration
    XM- and Sirius-ready
    Multiroom functionality for three zones

    TX-NR905 ($2,100, August 2007)
    7.1 A/V receiver, 140 watts per channel
    4 HDMI 1.3a inputs, with HDMI upconversion to 1080p
    Onboard decoding for Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio
    HQV Reon-VX Video processing
    THX Ultra2 Certified
    Audyssey MultEQ auto speaker calibration
    XM- and Sirius-ready
    Multiroom functionality for three zones
    Networking capabilities for Internet radio and WMA files
    HD Radio
    USB input for MP3 players


    3808CI - $1599 MSRP - Early July

    Quote:
    New front panel design, controls and lettering
    Equal power amplifiers: 7-channel
    Power output (watts per channel @ 8 ohms, 20hz to 20kHz): 130
    All channels rated @ 0.05 THD
    Low impedance drive capability
    High-current/discrete amplifiers
    Independent power transformers: 3
    Dynamic Discrete Surround Circuit-HD
    DSP Processors ? Analog Devices, SHARC: ADSP 21366 x 1, 21367 x 1
    Processor design: 32-bit floating point
    Processor circuit sampling frequency: 192kHz
    Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Digital+ Decoding, dts-HD Master Audio Decoding
    THX Surround EX and Dolby Digital Surround EX decoding
    Dolby Pro Logic IIx, with Cinema, Music and Game modes
    dts ES Discrete 6.1 and dts ES Matrix 6.1 decoding
    dts Neo:6 Stereo-to-Surround Cinema and Music modes
    dts 96/24 5.1 for DVD-Video processing
    HDCD Decoder
    XM-HD 5.1 via Neural Surround decoding
    Compressed Audio Restorer for portables/iPods/network audio
    Audyssey MultiEQ XT auto setup calibration and room correction for 6 seating positions
    Audyssey MultiEQ Pro calibration compatible ? ?Audyssey Installer Ready?
    Auto setup microphone included: New Y/Alum type
    AL24+ Processing on all channels
    24-bit/192kHz DACs: 2-/8-channel PCM1791A
    Analog-to-Digital conversion: 24/192 PCM1804
    Variable High/Low Pass crossover points (12/24dB): 40/60/80/100/120/150/200/250
    Assignable digital inputs
    Digital input: DENON Link 3rd (PCM/DSD) compatible
    iPod ready with a Denon D-dock
    USB Port for portable music players/flash drives/HDD with command and control functionality
    XM Satellite Radio ready ? ?Mini-Tuner? compatible
    Multi-source/Zone discrete tuner select function ? AM/FM/XM
    HDMI 1.3a Repeater Inputs/Outputs ? supports 1080p, 36-bit Deep Color, xvYCC Color Space, Auto Lip Sync correction, 7.1 uncompressed 24/96 Audio, SACD
    Analog to HDMI Video Conversion/Scaling: 480p/720p/1080i/1080p
    Faroudja DCDi Video Processing and Scaling (FLI02310)
    Main Zone Video Encoder: Analog Devices ADV7320 12-bit
    Main Zone Video Decoder: Analog Devices ADV7403 12-bit
    NSV ? Noise Shaped Video processing

    Digital Inputs: 3 coaxial, 4 optical
    Digital Outputs: 2 optical (assignable)
    Digital-to-Analog REC Out
    Analog Audio Inputs (including Tuner): 11
    Phono Input
    Analog Record Outputs: 3
    Front Panel A/V Inputs w/Cover: Composite, S-Video and Optical
    Independent Video Conversion: S-Video to Composite for Zone 2
    Composite Video Inputs: 7
    Composite Video Outputs: 3
    S-Video Inputs: 7
    S-Video Outputs: 3
    Component Video Inputs x bandwidth (assignable): 3 x 100
    Component Video Outputs (parallel main zone): 2
    Discrete second zone Component Video Outputs

    Dual surround mode speaker selector
    All new Graphic User Interface (GUI)
    RS-232 Port for third-party controllers and new Denon 2-way Remote Control and RF/IR Base Station
    RJ-45 Ethernet Port: Third-party controllers, Mac/PC audio streaming, Internet radio and Web browser function, enhanced for WMA Lossless/AAC-iTunes and album art
    PC setup and control capability via Ethernet
    Remote/off-site diagnosis, correction, update and upgrade compatible
    3-source, 3-zone capability
    D/A conversion for multi-zone outputs (Optical, Coaxial and PCM signal only)
    Discrete Multi-zone Video Outputs with OSD for Meta-data from iPod/XM/HD
    Radio/Ethernet streaming: Composite
    Enhanced Power Amplifier assign for multi-zone or bi-amping: 9 modes
    Compatible with optional RC-7000/7001CI IR/RF 2-way Remote/Base Station
    Dimensions (W x H x D): 17.1 x 6.7 x 16.9
    Weight: 35.6


    Denon 4308CI - $2499 - Late June Early July availability
    http://www.listenup.com/DENON+AVR-4308CI-p-AVR4308CI-p-49908.html

    Quote:
    New front panel design, controls and lettering
    Equal power amplifiers: 7-channel
    Power output (watts per channel @ 8 ohms, 20hz to 20kHz): 140
    All channels rated @ 0.05 THD
    Low impedance drive capability
    High-current/discrete amplifiers
    Independent power transformers: 3
    Dynamic Discrete Surround Circuit-HD
    DSP Processors ? Analog Devices, SHARC: ADSP 21366 x 1, 21367 x 1
    Processor design: 32-bit floating point
    Processor circuit sampling frequency: 192kHz
    Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Digital+ Decoding, dts-HD Master Audio Decoding
    THX Surround EX and Dolby Digital Surround EX decoding
    Dolby Pro Logic IIx, with Cinema, Music and Game modes
    dts ES Discrete 6.1 and dts ES Matrix 6.1 decoding
    dts Neo:6 Stereo-to-Surround Cinema and Music modes
    dts 96/24 5.1 for DVD-Video processing
    HDCD Decoder
    XM-HD 5.1 via Neural Surround decoding
    Compressed Audio Restorer for portables/iPods/network audio
    Audyssey MultiEQ XT auto setup calibration and room correction for 8 seating positions
    Audyssey MultiEQ Pro calibration compatible ? ?Audyssey Installer Ready?
    Auto setup microphone included: New Y/Alum type
    Advanced AL24 Processing on all channels
    24-bit/192kHz DACs: 2-/8-channel PCM1791A
    Analog-to-Digital conversion: 24/192 PCM1804
    Variable High/Low Pass crossover points (12/24dB): 40/60/80/100/120/150/200/250
    Assignable digital inputs
    Digital input: DENON Link 3rd (PCM/DSD) compatible
    iPod ready with a Denon D-dock
    USB Port for portable music players/flash drives/HDD with command and control functionality
    HD Radio tuner built in ? multi-cast compatible
    XM Satellite Radio ready ? ?Mini-Tuner? compatible
    Multi-source/Zone discrete tuner select function ? AM/FM/XM/HD
    HDMI 1.3a Repeater Inputs/Outputs ? supports 1080p, 36-bit Deep Color, xvYCC Color Space, Auto Lip Sync correction, 7.1 uncompressed 24/96 Audio, SACD
    Analog to HDMI Video Conversion/Scaling: 480p/720p/1080i/1080p
    Faroudja DCDi Video Processing and Scaling (FLI02310)
    Main Zone Video Encoder: Analog Devices ADV7320 12-bit
    Main Zone Video Decoder: Analog Devices ADV7403 12-bit
    NSV ? Noise Shaped Video processing

    Digital Inputs: 3 coaxial, 4 optical
    Digital Outputs: 2 optical (assignable)
    Digital-to-Analog REC Out
    Analog Audio Inputs (including Tuner): 11
    Phono Input
    Analog Record Outputs: 3
    Front Panel A/V Inputs w/Cover: Composite, S-Video and Optical
    Independent Video Conversion: S-Video to Composite for Zone 2
    Composite Video Inputs: 7
    Composite Video Outputs: 3
    S-Video Inputs: 7
    S-Video Outputs: 3
    Component Video Inputs x bandwidth (assignable): 3 x 100
    Component Video Outputs (parallel main zone): 2
    Discrete second zone Component Video Outputs

    Dual surround mode speaker selector
    All new Graphic User Interface (GUI)
    Built-in WiFi connectivity
    RS-232 Poert for third-party controllers and new Denon 2-way Remote Control and RF/IR Base Station
    RJ-45 Ethernet Port: Third-party controllers, Mac/PC audio streaming, Internet radio and Web browser function, enhanced for WMA Lossless/AAC-iTunes/jpeg photos and album art
    PC setup and control capability via Ethernet
    Remote/off-site diagnosis, correction, update and upgrade compatible
    3-source, 3-zone capability
    D/A conversion for multi-zone outputs (Optical, Coaxial and PCM signal only)
    Discrete Multi-zone Video Outputs with OSD for Meta-data from iPod/XM/HD
    Radio/Ethernet streaming: Composite and Component
    Enhanced Power Amplifier assign for multi-zone or bi-amping: 9 modes
    Compatible with optional RC-7000/7001CI IR/RF 2-way Remote/Base Station
    Dimensions (W x H x D): 17.1 x 6.7 x 16.9
    Weight: 40.8
     
  2. Max Yokell

    Max Yokell Well-Known Member War Zone Member Top Poster

    I should also mention that the 4308 having wi-fi built in is cool since I have a wireless router and no where near by plug an ethernet cable in though I am going to have to figure something out for the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players.

    Max
     
  3. Max Yokell

    Max Yokell Well-Known Member War Zone Member Top Poster

    I also want to know what you think of the Onkyo Amps vs the Denon amps?
     
  4. Shane

    Shane Active Member

    Onkyo has recently redid their amps so they should have their issues fixed. The new 805 weighs 50lbs. It weighed ~30 last year. It's very noticable in the sound department.

    Another option is the Onkyo Integra Prepro with a seperate amp.
     
  5. Chris White

    Chris White New Member

    Max, do you want multi-room capability?
     
  6. Matt J_S

    Matt J_S New Member

    I'm a happy Integra owner so I'm siding with Onkyo, Admittedly I've never owned a Dennon so all I'm willing to say is that the Integra has produced great sounds in my home for years without any issues, and i have no plans to make a change until I can afford to move into higher end Seperates.
     
  7. Alfer

    Alfer New Member

    Shane wrote:

    [Larry hat on] Onkyo has recently redone their amps [Larry hat off]


    :wink: :lol:

    Carry on....
     
  8. LarryB

    LarryB Active Member

    Way to go!!!!
     
  9. The weight of the receiver only matters if you are not going to use a subwoofer. Using an 80Hz crossover is highly recommended. If you have speakers that are flat to 20Hz, you may be able to get away without a subwoofer. Using an 80Hz crossover reduces the wattage fed to the main speakers by 66%.

    All the Best
     
  10. Shane

    Shane Active Member

    Not true. Keep in mind that some receivers like the old Onkyos such as the 804 only produced 32WPC x5 when they were rated for 110 WPC x7.

    Thus the added juice is needed. It's not a coincidence the best receivers also have hefty power supplies. Since most people do not buy $3,000 receivers and I'm talking about a $1,000 receiver here, it makes a big difference.
     
  11. CJ

    CJ Well-Known Member Admin War Zone Member

    My current receiver rated at 80wpc was tested by that home theater magazine that does all the bench tests. 27! watts per channel with all channels driven. Luckily I'm using an external amp, but with that kind of power supply in a room my size, I'd have been seriously f'd.
     
  12. Corey

    Corey New Member

    There are reports on other forums that the Onkyo receivers are having 'popping' sounds. A poll shows that up to 25% of the respondents have the problem. Now, obviously that's a skewed number, but still significant in my book.

    I'm looking at the same receivers you are, and, like you, have always had Yamaha in the past. But no 1.3 on the horizon, so I'm looking elsewhere. I'm going to wait for the early reviews of the 3808, and then make a decision. I wish they had put the Reon processor in it, though.

    That 875 and 3808 are the same price at J&R, so it's just a matter of which one gets me closest to the 'perfect' unit.

    3808 gets my vote for now, but that could change quickly.
     
  13. Max Yokell

    Max Yokell Well-Known Member War Zone Member Top Poster

    Popping generally means weak amps. They tend to pop when you they are overloaded.

    Now if 25% are getting this it could mean their speakers are harder to drive and or tend to listen louder. My guess is the 875 will fare a little better or the whole THX Ultra program is a sham. :roll:

    Still I have a little more faith in Denon for some reason. :)

    I am very much leaning towards the 4308 now.

    Max
     
  14. Corey

    Corey New Member

    From what I've read (and trust me, I'm NO expert), it's not speaker clipping, or overloading. Seems to only happen with HD and BR HDMI playback. Apparently some sort of electronic glitch (how's that for being techincal :) )

    Anyway, just a heads-up. I'm sure if there truly is an issue, it'll be resolved quickly by the manufacturer.


    C
     
  15. Shane

    Shane Active Member

    It's not speaker clipping or weak amps. It's for sure a technical issue most likely a manufacturing defect. It is a new amp to them so early bugs are almost expected.

    If an amp is weak, then it will go into protector mode rather quick like Sony amps(not the ES stuff) or it will get real shrill at high levels. Then again you loved the Klipsch sound so you might actually like that :)
     
  16. Max Yokell

    Max Yokell Well-Known Member War Zone Member Top Poster

    I remember the days when I could fry eggs on the Sony ES receivers. :) I actually had the first ES receiver to have Pro-Logic and I traded in the model below it which had the output for pro-logic but no amp for it to get it.

    You really could have fried an egg on it and I actually got rid of it after burning myself on it and moved to a Yamaha DSP A 1000 which was the first of Yamaha's super intergrated amps and the pre cursor of the DSP A1 which I replaced it with. :)

    Just some history there for those wondering how far back I go in the HT arena. :)
     
  17. Shane

    Shane Active Member

    It's funny you say that, my current ES gets hot enough to fry eggs on it. It makes my 360 seems like a refrigerator.
     
  18. Marc S.

    Marc S. New Member

    onkyo's

    FWIW my Onkyo TX502 runs pretty darn hot. I don't think it would fry an egg but it gets uncomfortable after a couple of seconds, and it is only running 2 Mirage Nanosats.
     
  19. Carl V

    Carl V Well-Known Member Donor War Zone Member Top Poster

    Yup, those were & still are fine products.
    I too owned them...they are still working
    flawlessly in other environments...quite
    musically in fact. They easily met their
    ratings.

    Good luck to you Max.
     
  20. Shane

    Shane Active Member

    Onkyo has pre order pricing up at JandR.

    805S is $899
    805B is $999
    875 is $1299
    905 is $1599

    The 905 seems like a no-brainer.
     

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